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The Ampeer ON-LINE!
November 2018
The Club Newsletter of the Electric Flyers Only, Inc
AMA Charter 2354
Walled Lake, MI, USA

Editor: Ken Myers

Fly the Future - Fly Electric!

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EFO Flying Meeting: Saturday, Nov. 3 Time: 11 a.m.
Place: Midwest RC Society 7 Mile Rd. flying field
Everyone with an interest is WELCOME
Proof of AMA membership required to fly
Special Notice to EFO Members from Pete Waters:

The Midwest R/C Society has two tables at the Upcoming Swap Shop (info below) available for selling items towards the Midwest field costs. We will welcome any modeling items that are in decent condition, as we will be "Priceless" again, that simplifies the selling. Flyable models, engines, electric power, brushed or not, props, covering, kits, tools, anything you no longer really need, please.
As stated, ALL procedes go to Midwest

What's In This Issue?

Indoor Flying Season, 2018-2019, Southeast Michigan Dates and times for the two venues in our area Upcoming Midwest RC Society Swap Shop Info Info on this upcoming November event.
Is There a Device to Help in Locating a Lost Plane? A Question From Phil Pearce via email with some possible answers by Ken About Contacting Ken Myers Ken reminds folks of the BEST way to contact him via phone or email
Galloping Ghost and a Sterling Mambo Info about GG and his Mambo from Gary Gullikson Poorly Written User Manuals and Other Thoughts on the Hitec Aurora 9 Gary Gullikson share his views, inspired by review of the FlySki i6X and its manual
Another Thought Generated by the FlySky i6X Review Joe Hass shares some thought about the FlySky i6X Mark Freeland Inducted Into the AMA Model Aviation Hall of Fame A report on the induction by Joe Hass
Puddle Master Question Walt Thyng has a question about motor angle for this plane Rare Planes in My Queue Keith Shaw shares some possible planes that he is considering building
Fliteline Hobbies Seminars 5 Great Saturday morning seminars announced So You Think the Summer of 2018 Was Hot, Well!!! Here is a cartoon from a 1988 Ampeer that notes a really hot summer for us modelers.
Upcoming E-vents
Send Ken email

Indoor Flying Season, 2018-2019, Southeast Michigan

Tuesdays, October 30 through April 16, 10 a.m. - 1 p.m.
The Best Indoor Flying Venue in Metro-Detroit

Ultimate Soccer Arenas
867 South Blvd.
Pontiac, MI 48341

Single Flying Session - $10
Any 5 Session Punch Card - $40
25 Session Season Pass - $120

All pilots MUST have proof of AMA Membership
Note: If you are not an Academy of Model Aeronautics member, a special 3 month trial AMA membership is available.

Spectators Welcomed
Trainer Planes on Site
Come Check it Out!

Resister Online
or
Call Fred at 248-770-3239

Support your local hobby shop because they support us!

Wednesdays, November 7 through April 24, 12:30 p.m. - 2:30 p.m.

Legacy Center
9299 Goble Drive
Brighton, MI 48116

Drop in Flying Session - $10

Spectators Welcomed and free

There may be exceptions or changes around the holidays.
Keep up to date by checking our website.
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Midwest R/C Society
RC Swap Meet
Sunday, November 18th, 2018
8:30 AM to 11:30 AM

Location
Northville Senior Community Center
303 W. Main Street
Northville, MI
AKA
Latitude 42 43 04 North, Longitude 83 48 60 West

Our Admission Charge Hasn't Changed in Years!
$5.00 per person - donations are always welcomed
(active duty military, kids under 12 and women are always admitted FREE!)

Vendor Table Cost
$20.00-$25.00 per table payable in advance, depending on table location
The Vendor Table Cost includes ONE ADMISSION
Vendor Setup Time is 7:45 AM
Advance Table Reservations are Recommended, since it costs more at the door!

For Information and Table Reservations
Call Rudi Reinhard 248-631-8205 or Email Rudi

Directions
Take the 8 Mile Rd Exit off of I-275 and go west 2.5 miles to Center Street
Go South on Center Street for 1/2 mile
Turn west on Main Street
The Northville Senior Community Center is located at 303 West Main St.
There is free parking behind the building off of Cady Street

THE BEST & LARGEST (AND MAYBE THE ONLY) SWAP IN SE MICHIGAN!

IMPORTANT NOTICE!

DUE TO SCHEDULING CONFLICTS AT VENUE, THE ANNUAL NOVEMBER SWAP SHOP WILL BE ON SUNDAY, NOVEMBER 18, NOT the 1st Sunday in November!
ALSO NOTE THE TIME CHANGE TO 8:30 AM TO 11:30 AM

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Is There a Device to Help in Locating a Lost Plane?
A Question From Phil Pearce via email

Hello again Ken,

     I am still flying SAM competition and still flying my 1975 Cessna Skyhawk II. I will turn 83 in December.

     Three weeks ago, I lost my Lanzo Bomber. A cowboy found it, and accidentally found us walking while looking for it.

     I have wondered why we don't have a small, lightweight, GPS transmitter that could be read with an I-phone.

     The police have a unit that they plant on a car to track it.

     I am familiar with the old technology of the "direction finder" equipment and some of our guys use it. Their unit with both components costs over $400.00.

     I don't want to do that!

     Any help appreciated.

Regards,
Phil Pearce

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     I am hoping that some Ampeer readers might be able to chime in, but I did a little research. The following is ALL Speculation and based on some research that I did.

     I found that there are units for locating lost pets. The unit that goes on the pet is not too heavy for most of our applications and has its own power supply, which is essential if the plane "crashed&auot; and the plane's power supply becomes detached. I did find that some of them do use GPS and some use Bluetooth.

     At first I thought that Bluetooth would not work for our purposes, because of its short range, but I rethought that.

     In most of our RC applications, when we lose a plane it is in the "the woods", or "in the corn", or "in the long grass", or the like.

     Both the GPS units and Bluetooth units require an application (app) on a smart phone to receive the signal.

     These MIGHT be useful to us. Maybe an Ampeer reader can help if they've tried them.

Whistle 3 Pet Tracker (GPS)

Dimensions: 1.45" wide, 1.92" long, 0.61" wide
Weight: 0.92 oz.
$79.94 at Amazon


Video Review of Whistle 3 Pet Tracker

Tile Mate and Slim Combo Pack - Key Finder. Phone Finder. Anything Finder (2 Tile Mate and 2 Tile Slim) - 4 Pack (Bluetooth)

     I could not find weight and dimension information, but they are small and light.
$49.99 at Amazon for a 2 Tile Mates & 2 Slim Tile Mates


Video of Distance Test of the Tile Mate and Trackr


Video Comparing the Tile Mate to the Trackr

     Again, I have no firsthand knowledge of any of these devices. I have no idea if these will actually work in our planes or not, but they might be worth the investment to find out. (Hint: Does that mean a future Ampeer test review? IDK at this time. Ken) I am not recommending them. I am just sharing some of my research for possible follow up by myself or others.

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About Contacting Ken Myers

     I am available by phone at 248-669-8124. That is a home land line. If I am near the phone when it rings, I screen all of my calls. Start talking when it goes to the recording, and if I am nearby, I'll answer. If I am not, please leave a message and I'll get back to you as soon as I can.

     I have several email addresses that I use to send out the notice that the latest edition of the Ampeer has been posted. The reason for several addresses is so that when I send out the bulk emails, my email service provider does not notify me, or shut me down, for spamming.

     I use kmyersefo@mac.com and kmyersefo@theampeer.org daily. The other addresses are only used once a month to do the monthly notifications.

     If you reply to any address except the mac.com and ampeer.org addresses, I won't see it for at least a month. I am not ignoring your response or question, I just donÕt see it until the following month.

     If you wish to receive the monthly Ampeer notification email, send your request to kmyersefo@mac.com or kmyersefo@theampeer.org. I will let you know that I received your request and have added you to the list.

     My list is absolutely private and shared with no one.

Ken Myers
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kmyersefo@theampeer.org

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The September EFO Flying Meeting

     The EFO Flying meeting was held on Saturday, September 1.

     At 10 a.m. the sky was very overcast at the Midwest RC Society 7 Mile Road flying field in Salem Township, MI.


Owen Morgan Gets Ready to Fly His Bipe

     The winds were about 10 mph and gusting from the south. It was not a good day for flying, with the wind from the pilot's back.

     The turn out was quite good for the first day of the three day, Labor Day, holiday weekend.


Ron Krause flying while Dave Stacer looks on

     Despite the constant wind and gusts, there was quite a bit of flying, and definitely a lot of flying stories.

     There was an incident that reminded all of us about being careful when arming an electrically powered plane. A plane's ESC had become faulty, and when the battery was connected, it went to full power. The ESC had worked perfectly the last time the plane was flown and there was no indication that it had become defective. This incident is presented as a reminder that we must always be extremely careful and vigilant when arming our models.

     This was another good reminder that loading a battery through the prop arc, like on the Flite Test Simple Cub, is not a good idea! You never know the actual status of the electronic components.

     About noon, the sun had broken through the clouds and it really started to heat up, quickly reaching the mid-80 degree Fahrenheit range.


Rick Sawicki Readies His Plane in the Bright Sunshine


Some of the planes Rick brought along to fly

     There were several tips and exchanges of information during the bull sessions in the pit area.

     A good time was had by all as they made the best of an "iffy" flying day.

     Bill Brown had a chance to introduce a young man to flying RC models using his little Champ.


Bill's Ground School

     First Bill gave him a ground schooling and then took him into the air.


Bill suggesting that flying directly overhead is not a good idea


Mike Russell, Dave Stacer and EFO vice-president, Richard Utkan enjoying the day

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Galloping Ghost and a Sterling Mambo
From Gary Gullikson via email

     I obtained a Tobe Galloping Ghost Actuator from Jay Mendoza in Mission Viejo here in southern CA. They work with a standard modern RC system using the receiver's aileron and elevator channels for flapping rudder and elevator. Throttle control is via the ESC. They are available from sources in the UK.

     I downloaded plans for a 48" span, full size, Sterling Mambo from Outerzone to a flashdrive and had full size plans printed out at a Fedex office that has large printing capability.

     I built the Mambo full-size, mistakenly thinking that the Tobe GG actuator had enough power to give sufficient flapping rudder and elevator authority.

     The original, full size, 48" span Mambo flew on a .19-.23 glow engine.

     To make a long story short, the small Tobe actuator was not nearly powerful enough for the full size electric powered Mambo, and I was only able to keep the model in the vicinity rather than fly the racetrack pattern required at our club field.

     Otto Diffenbach has had good success flying smaller electric powered .020 sized model designs from the 50's using the Tobe actuator. You can see his exploits on YouTube.

     I am going to install standard servos and fly my electric powered Mambo like an "old timer" 3 channel model.

     I had Callie Graphics make up original Mambo "hands and drum" wing logos and tried, somewhat, to emulate the original color scheme Êto the extent of using Sig sanding sealer and Cub Yellow dope Êon the all sheet balsa fuselage and transparent red iron-on for the wings Êand stab.

     The motor is an old Scorpion 2215-?? on a 2200mSh 3S LiPo, which is really overkill.

     I think that the model is "cute".

     Nostalgia makes us do funny things!

     Gary also posted in the thread I have on RC Groups about my Minnie Mambo restoration/recreation. KM
Min-e Mambo, an e-conversion, restoration & tribute to a 1963 Sterling Minnie Mambo
Gary's info is found in post #33.

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Poorly Written User Manuals and Other Thoughts on the Hitec Aurora 9
From Gary Gullikson via email

     Gary sent this along based on what I had to say about the FlySky i6X radio, which was reviewed in the October 2018 Ampeer. KM

     I don't have any experience with it (the FlySky system KM) but am not surprised at the "CON's" in the review.

     I have had similar complaints about my original Hitec Aurora 9 system, but mostly about the poorly written user's manual. Hitec apparently doesn't believe in using English fluent people to proof read and use the manual in setup and operation of various types of models.

     I had a lot of grief trying to follow the manual in set up of adjustable trim 3-position flaps with servo slowing and optional down-elevator mix.

     I have used Hitec systems for years but am not a "fan boy". I have had good support from Hitec and some set-up help from individual "techs" via phone and e-mail.

     I have read about similar flap set-up confusion with Spektrum and complaints about their manuals. It seems that those who have no problems with manuals and on-screen menus either won't admit it or somehow have extensive enough experience to find their way.

     I prefer Spektrum's "model match" feature from a field safety standpoint. It is possible with the Aurora 9 to land an electrically powered model, forget to disconnect the motor battery, and have it eat a model in the pits or a bystander when I try to takeoff with another model. It is possible to activate any number of models with Hitec receivers that are bound to the same Aurora transmitter.

     I understand that most, if not all, systems other than certain Spektrum systems have the same safety issue but don't think that most RC'ers are aware of this.

     BTW, I recently fried an Optima 7 receiver by plugging in the Supplemental Power Connection (SPC) onto the wrong pins. I called Hitec and was told to send receiver in and it would be repaired if possible, or I'd be offered a replacement at a discount.

     A week later I got my receiver back, it had the same outer case but new innards and antenna. The repair was completed a no charge.

     I should have been wearing glasses, in good light, when I was plugging things into my receiver. The SPC "guarantees" sufficient power to the receiver alone, servos are powered by the speed control's BEC. This also provides a read-out of motor battery voltage in flight on the view screen without any extra telemetry devices.

     Having a 4-cell flight battery pack with a switch makes the awkward Aurora system binding procedure much easier.

     I recently downloaded the current firmware and using my handy dandy HP-22 PC interface device, to eliminate accidental switching from "normal mode" to "scan mode", and loss of binding, while doing range checks.

     Some Aurora users may not be aware of firmware update to eliminate accidental switch to "scan mode" and loss of binding.

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Another Thought Generated by the FlySky i6X Review
From Joe Hass via email

     Did a quick read of the (October 2018 KM) AMPEER and a review of the radio. (FlySky i6X KM) From my point of view the "savings" are not worth it.

     Somebody somewhere is writing code for it? YIKES! Manuals that don't make sense? YIKES! YIKES!!

     While I have no inside knowledge, I see that the Tactic 660 is still available.

     I have heard repeatedly that the car guys really love the Tactic system. The servos are a huge hit (high performance and low price). I know that Horizon has hired technicians that are familiar with Tactic. Horizon helped me with a non standard configuration of a Tactic system for a sailboat application. All very good from my point of view.

Thanks for all your support.
Joe

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Mark Freeland Inducted Into the AMA Model Aviation Hall of Fame
From Joe Hass via email

     Attached is my write up and a couple of pictures that I have submitted to Model Aviation. OK to use in newsletters. The group shot is courtesy of John Hakala. Barb Ash took the solo shot.

     Well deserved recognition for Mark.

     We are really fortunate to have such talent in this area.

Joe Hass
248-321-7934

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From left to right AMA Model Aviation HOF Inductees Pete Waters, Keith Shaw, Ken Myers, Bob Bienenstein, Mark Freeland and Mark's wife Barb

     With his wife Barbara and 4 previous southeastern Michigan Hall Of Fame (HOF) inductees present Mark Freeland, was totally surprised as his name was announced during the Michigan Aeromodeling Manufacturers celebration on September 10, 2018.


Mark Freeland with his HOF Plaque

     Mark, the owner of Retro RC, has a long history of creating fantastic products, supporting clubs, participating in Science Olympiad events and promoting S.T.E.M. educational programs.

     Mark joins southeastern Michigan inductees Bob Bienenstein, Pete Waters, Keith Shaw and Ken Myers who were all present. Other Michigan HOF inductees who could not attend the festivities include Art Adamisin and Jim Newman.

     Southeastern Michigan is fortunate to have a wide array of clubs, a plethora of hobby shops and numerous aeromodeling manufacturers.

     Beside Mark of Retro RC, Andy Low of Electrodynamics, John Hoover of Aspect Aviation, Mike Dobbies of AJ Aircraft, Scott Taylor of Megajets, Mike Spring of Model Plane Foam and West Michigan Park Flyers displayed their products and answered questions for modelers from 16 local clubs. Other Michigan manufacturers include Innov8tive Designs and Volare Products and Seaplane Supply.

     The evening included District 7 VP Tim Jesky who spoke to the crowd and graciously supplied the celebratory cake as well as pilot's prizes donated by the participating companies.

Joe Hass
M.I.A.A.

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Paul Combs Puddle Master From the January 2002 Ampeer

Puddle Master Question
From Walt Thyng via email

Hi Ken, long time, no talk.

     I need to limit myself to models of 60 inches or less for weight reasons, so I'm resurrecting a Puddle Master I bought all built, but never got around to fly. It should make a pretty good snow bird. Anyway when I powered it up it wanted to drive the nose down when I held it at the CG. Do you know what the thrust angle/incidence was on the PM?

     Thanks in advance for any help you can provide.

Walt Thyng
PS I still read every issue of the Ampeer the minute you post, but I'm wondering why you don't provide a live link?

     I told him that I wasn't sure, so I decided to ask the Ampeer readers. Maybe we can give Walt a hand his project. KM

     Walt, I don't post a direct link to the Ampeer because there might be something new and interesting on the HomePage. Also because a person can then chose whether they prefer to look at the html version or the pdf version.

     EFO vice-president, Richard Utkan, shows off his Puddle Master at the April 2001 EFO meeting as noted in the May 2001 Ampeer.

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Rare Planes in My Queue
From Keith Shaw via email

Hi Ken,

     Thought I'd send you a Christmas present of photos of the rare planes in my queue to build.

     First was the Darmstadt D-22, the 100% stagger bipe with no interplane struts. I think this will get built in the next couple of years.


Darmstadt D-22

     Second, the wonderfully hideous Belphegor (polish for ogre), jet powered ag-bipe with fixed trike gear.

     Imagine it sitting on the flight line at a macho Jets-Only meet! Reason enough to build it.

     At 1/6th scale it would be over a 12' span!!!!!! A 1/12th scale would be *slightly* more practical, if the word practical has anything to do with the Belphegor...


Belphegor

Take care,
Keith

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Fliteline Hobbies Seminars
From John Hoover via email

     John Hoover of Flightline Hobbies announced that they are again hosting Saturday seminars on all things aeromodeling.

Flightline Hobby
3039 Baldwin Rd
Orion Charter Township, MI 48359
248-814-8359

     There are 5 great events. Everything starts at 11:05 AM and runs for about 90 minutes. Coffee and donuts plus camaraderie are included. Here are the details:

Oct. 20 Soldering - Electrical and Structural will be covered.
Oct. 27 LiPo battery basics - Characteristics, charging, care. Motor basics too.
Nov. 3 All about Control Line with awesome builder Steve Kretchmer
Nov. 10 Airbrushing - Every one of these presentations with Joe and George gives you the techniques to truly create a one of a kind masterpiece.
Nov. 17 Covering - Everything you need to know to about covering your favorite project.

     This is a great way to spend a cool Saturday morning.

October 27, Saturday, EFO Monthly Flying Meeting at the Midwest 7 Mi. Rd flying field, 11 a.m., Everyone with an interest is welcome, AMA membership proof required to fly

November 3, Saturday, EFO Monthly Flying Meeting at the Midwest 7 Mi. Rd flying field, 11 a.m., Everyone with an interest is welcome, AMA membership proof required to fly

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So You Think the Summer of 2018 Was Hot, Well!!!

     We did have a hot summer this year, but nothing like 1988. The cartoon is from the November 1988 Ampeer. I am sorry, but I have lost the original source over the last 30 years!

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